john1962 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Apparently if newco dont accept transfer embargo they are not getting a licence. The SFA finally step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODAB Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Well if people have been complaining about Traynor, Young and the likes, they should try seeing if Darren Gough's talksport show is available anywhere! Stumbled across it whilst doing some DIY. Both he and the other host made Traynor and the likes seem well informed and charming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1962 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Well if people have been complaining about Traynor, Young and the likes, they should try seeing if Darren Gough's talksport show is available anywhere! Stumbled across it whilst doing some DIY. Both he and the other host made Traynor and the likes seem well informed and charming. Talksport is radio's equivalent of the Daily Ranger or The Scum. A torture squad couldnt get me to listen to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODAB Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Talksport is radio's equivalent of the Daily Ranger or The Scum. A torture squad couldnt get me to listen to it. Doing DIY and had enough of the Mrs listening to her pish. Thought I'd put it on and see if there was any word about Dunfy's reaction. It was actually hilariously bad. Gough said all Scottish fans were morons who didn't undrestand finance and didn't have a clue what they were talking about. He said all true football fans will realise Newco are Rangers and their history should be taken with them to the Newco. Also that the 3rd division was the last place Rangers should be. And anybody who deviated from that line was instantly shot down. He also claimed that the fans who threatened to walk away would never have done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Think they were relegated fairly & squarely so it is right that they go down. Its is just a pity that it is another cheating team that benefit from it. Actually, I'd disagree that they were relegated "fairly and squarely", considering one of the teams that finished above them clearly cheated. I can't think of a single logical argument to suggest Dundee deserve that place ahead of Dunfermline. It's interesting to see that the SPL hasn't put forward a single solid reason for the decision, other than some guff about "sporting merit" (which makes no sense, as on "sporting merit" they missed out on a promotion place). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_saint Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 dafc shouldve been the team for spl this season, however yet again money has rode roughshod over spl decision making- guess which execs we can blame for that. a playoff would have been superb, id happily pay to watch that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamford Saintee Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Newco replacing Dundee in the Ramsdens Cup. :laugh::laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LARK SAINT Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 CHARLES GREEN has put Rangers future back in doubt by refusing to reveal who the owners of the club are. And that means the Scottish Football Association have no alternative but to refuse Rangers a licence to play football. But it is Green and his continued protection of the identity of who is behind Blue Pitch Holdings, whose 23 per cent stake make it the largest shareholders in Sevco, that is blocking the way to Rangers membership of the SFA. I believe the SFA were handed more information last night which may help the governing body unravel the mystery of just who the faceless men who own Rangers are and put them on the trail of the shadowy Blue Pitch Holdings. But until Charles Green comes clean there is now surely no way the Scottish Football Association can allow Rangers to be given a licence to be able to play football. They have a clear duty to ensure that there is nobody involved who has any connection with any criminality, particularly money laundering, something which Green first mentioned on the day when he first emerged from the shadows as Duff and Phelps’ top choice to take over as front man for the faceless men who own Rangers. The SFA must be particularly careful, given the way they blundered and did not properly investigate Craig Whyte’s background and where the money he used to buy Rangers came from in May 2011. Had they been tougher and more thorough in May 2011, the disasters which have befallen Rangers and the meltdown those disasters have sent Scottish football into, would never have happened. Scottish Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan knows his organisation and its Main Board cannot make the same massive mistake again. For if the SFA handed Rangers a licence and then the shadowy men who hide behind the Blue Pitch Holdings wall of secrecy were found to be involved in any criminality, have any links to any criminality, such as money laundering, or should the funding for the cut price deal which saw Charles Green handed Rangers on a plate by seriously under investigation, Duff and Phelps, be found to be in any way dodgy, the SFA could not survive. There can be no doubt that the Scottish Football Association in general and Stewart Regan and his chosen emissary , vice president Rod Petrie of Hibs, have performed poorly through this whole sad sorry saga. Which is why they must make sure they know who it is who owns Rangers and then conduct a serious investigation into them and their funding before giving Rangers their licence to play. It is Charles Green’s delaying tactics and Charles Green’s refusal to come clean about their indentity of the shadowy men who own Rangers which is holding up the SFA licence. That is a fact! What is also a fact is the timing of Charles Green’s disgracefully curt call to the Rangers staff, announcing redundancies at team time on Monday night, came just hours after the SFA told him they were not satisfied with the extent of the information he had supplied to them before they could consider giving Rangers a licence to play. A coincidence? Or a low life ploy designed to take the heat of Charles Green and turn it on Stewart Regan, who is always an easy target for Rangers supporters? Goodness knows Regan has deserved to be in the firing line often enough as the way he has handled the whole Whyte Scandal and the way it has impacted on Rangers and Scottish football, has been disgraceful. But this time it is not Regan who is at fault and who is harming Rangers. It is Charles Green. It is Charles Green and his continued refusal to name all of the people who own Rangers. To list the names of the shadowy people who hide behind Blue Pitch Holdings. And to give the Scottish Football Association time to investigate them and ensure the money which is being invested in Rangers is clean money and has been raised by legal means. That is surely no more than any sensible, sane and rational Rangers supporter would not merely expect of the SFA, but actually demand of them in order that there can be no repeat of the fraud perpetrated on their club by Craig Whyte. But get set for more leaks from Charles Green, for more nods and winks on his behalf, that his impasse with the SFA is all Stewart Regan’s fault and that it has got nothing to do with demands for the faceless men who own Rangers to be named and investigated. But none of those leaks, none of those nods and winks, will fool the overwhelming majority of hardheaded Rangers supporters who are also demanding that Charles Green name the faceless men who own Rangers. The overwhelming majority of hard headed Rangers supporters who were fooled by Craig Whyte in May 2011 and are now determined not to be conned out of their club again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Rangers just keep getting themselves in trouble and everybody else for that matter. Who is to blame? Everybody else, never them. If nobody knows who they are then they don't exist for Scottish Football purposes. They are just routine standard questions that normal company law requires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 A post stolen from the Bears Den board.... WVB, on 17 July 2012 - 10:40 AM, said: Phoned them yesterday (Ibrox), was told the existing season ticket holders (36 000) get first refusal, so there should be at least 16 000 for general sale. Its unlikely to be before 30th July however. I can't see many of the existing ST holders refusing. I'm optimistic that we will have the same number of ST holders as last year if not more. Feckin deluded the lot of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilgour Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Apparently if newco dont accept transfer embargo they are not getting a licence. The SFA finally step up. You are another one who wants their cake and eat it.Please dont call me a Rangers apologist again. If Gers are now finished and we cant call them that how can we now expect the "newco" to be bound by the old cllubs problems.We need to get on with football.Either the Govanites are dead and buried or they are not. COYS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jings Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 You are another one who wants their cake and eat it.Please dont call me a Rangers apologist again. If Gers are now finished and we cant call them that how can we now expect the "newco" to be bound by the old cllubs problems.We need to get on with football.Either the Govanites are dead and buried or they are not. COYS If they return with the word "Rangers" in their name; then they sure as s**t ain't dead and buried. Until we kill that name, we're going to be saddled with the scum forever more:evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 If they return with the word "Rangers" in their name; then they sure as s**t ain't dead and buried. Until we kill that name, we're going to be saddled with the scum forever more:evil: I don't know if this has been resolved yet but there's not long to do it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Paddy Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 apart from anything else, and without worrying about any transfer embargo, I cant find any list of signed players for the new tenants of Ibrox. Given the imminent departure of Edu Bocanegra & Goian, who do they have signed? Is it likely that the afore mentioned embargo leaves them with a team ill equipped to get out of the 3rd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Scottish FA issues Rangers update Tuesday, 17 July 2012 Now that the status of Rangers FC has been clarified by the respective league bodies, the Scottish FA has compiled the following information to provide clarity and guidance on the remaining issues to be resolved. When will the Scottish FA consider Rangers application for membership? Now that the Scottish Football League have made a conditional acceptance of Rangers FC in Irn Bru Division Three we will now consider the club’s application for membership transfer this week. How can Rangers be considered for membership when they can't provide four years’ financial statements? Sevco Scotland Ltd bought Rangers Football Club PLC’s share in the SPL and membership of the Scottish FA as part of their acquisition of assets. Under Article 14.1, Sevco Scotland are requesting the transfer of the existing membership of Oldco. This is different to an application for a new membership, which generally requires four years of financial statements. When will the Appellate Tribunal be reconvened? The Scottish FA has been in dialogue with Rangers FC in respect of the outstanding disciplinary sanction. The decision of the Court of Session to set aside the 12-month registration embargo was complicated by Rangers FC’s administration and subsequent request from Sevco Scotland for a transfer of membership of the Scottish FA. Again, now that the club’s status has been confirmed by the SPL and SFL, we will consider the award of transfer once Rangers FC satisfy the necessary criteria. Will Rangers’ original punishments be transferred to Newco? The Scottish FA Board has the power to transfer membership under Article 14.1, which states: “. . . Transfer of membership will be reviewed by the Board, which will have the complete discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as the Board may think fit.” Will Ally McCoist be subject to a Compliance Officer Reference for his comments about the Judicial Panel? The Compliance Officer communicated with Rangers FC in mid-June to confirm that the matter has been reported and will be initiated through the normal Judicial Panel Protocol upon conclusion of the other outstanding issues affecting the club. In what round will Rangers Newco join the William Hill Scottish Cup? Under the Scottish FA’s Cup Competition Rules, Rangers FC as a third division club will join the William Hill Scottish Cup at the second round. Why have the Scottish FA blocked the transfer of Rangers players to other clubs? The Scottish FA issued a guidance note, based on legal advice and without prejudice, to both Rangers FC and PFA Scotland. Certain players have now chosen not to transfer across under TUPE regulations and, instead, agreed contracts elsewhere. On a procedural basis, the Scottish FA cannot process an International Transfer Certificate via FIFA’s Transfer Management System where there is an ongoing contractual dispute. Rangers FC have confirmed that there is such a contractual dispute. In the meantime, the new club(s) can request a temporary transfer from FIFA in order that the player(s) is free to play while the dispute process unfolds. This process has commenced in relation to a number of the players in question. At the request of one of the parties in dispute, the Scottish FA, through its Articles, can convene an Arbitration Panel, with either side selecting from a list of Panel members, with the two appointees subsequently selecting a Chair of the panel. Rangers FC have made such a request to the Scottish FA. We would naturally seek an outcome as soon as possible. Does the Scottish FA have a fit and proper person report for the new Rangers owner(s) and do we know who the main investors/directors are? The Scottish FA has received private and confidential documentation from Sevco Scotland Ltd relating to the above. We have asked Sevco to provide further supplementary information and will consider that information this week. Under new Scottish FA rules, it is a requirement of the outgoing club directors to conduct a full investigation under the Fit and Proper Guidelines. Given Rangers FC’s insolvency event, it has been incumbent on the administrators, Duff and Phelps, to carry out the necessary checks on the proposed new directors, as well as our own investigations. What is the status of the investigation into use of Employee Benefit Trusts? This is an investigation under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Premier League specific to player registrations. The SPL have recently confirmed they have prima facie evidence but as the potential appellate body, we cannot comment further at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_saint Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Scottish FA issues Rangers update Tuesday, 17 July 2012 Now that the status of Rangers FC has been clarified by the respective league bodies, the Scottish FA has compiled the following information to provide clarity and guidance on the remaining issues to be resolved. When will the Scottish FA consider Rangers application for membership? Now that the Scottish Football League have made a conditional acceptance of Rangers FC in Irn Bru Division Three we will now consider the club’s application for membership transfer this week. How can Rangers be considered for membership when they can't provide four years’ financial statements? Sevco Scotland Ltd bought Rangers Football Club PLC’s share in the SPL and membership of the Scottish FA as part of their acquisition of assets. Under Article 14.1, Sevco Scotland are requesting the transfer of the existing membership of Oldco. This is different to an application for a new membership, which generally requires four years of financial statements. When will the Appellate Tribunal be reconvened? The Scottish FA has been in dialogue with Rangers FC in respect of the outstanding disciplinary sanction. The decision of the Court of Session to set aside the 12-month registration embargo was complicated by Rangers FC’s administration and subsequent request from Sevco Scotland for a transfer of membership of the Scottish FA. Again, now that the club’s status has been confirmed by the SPL and SFL, we will consider the award of transfer once Rangers FC satisfy the necessary criteria. Will Rangers’ original punishments be transferred to Newco? The Scottish FA Board has the power to transfer membership under Article 14.1, which states: “. . . Transfer of membership will be reviewed by the Board, which will have the complete discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as the Board may think fit.” Will Ally McCoist be subject to a Compliance Officer Reference for his comments about the Judicial Panel? The Compliance Officer communicated with Rangers FC in mid-June to confirm that the matter has been reported and will be initiated through the normal Judicial Panel Protocol upon conclusion of the other outstanding issues affecting the club. In what round will Rangers Newco join the William Hill Scottish Cup? Under the Scottish FA’s Cup Competition Rules, Rangers FC as a third division club will join the William Hill Scottish Cup at the second round. Why have the Scottish FA blocked the transfer of Rangers players to other clubs? The Scottish FA issued a guidance note, based on legal advice and without prejudice, to both Rangers FC and PFA Scotland. Certain players have now chosen not to transfer across under TUPE regulations and, instead, agreed contracts elsewhere. On a procedural basis, the Scottish FA cannot process an International Transfer Certificate via FIFA’s Transfer Management System where there is an ongoing contractual dispute. Rangers FC have confirmed that there is such a contractual dispute. In the meantime, the new club(s) can request a temporary transfer from FIFA in order that the player(s) is free to play while the dispute process unfolds. This process has commenced in relation to a number of the players in question. At the request of one of the parties in dispute, the Scottish FA, through its Articles, can convene an Arbitration Panel, with either side selecting from a list of Panel members, with the two appointees subsequently selecting a Chair of the panel. Rangers FC have made such a request to the Scottish FA. We would naturally seek an outcome as soon as possible. Does the Scottish FA have a fit and proper person report for the new Rangers owner(s) and do we know who the main investors/directors are? The Scottish FA has received private and confidential documentation from Sevco Scotland Ltd relating to the above. We have asked Sevco to provide further supplementary information and will consider that information this week. Under new Scottish FA rules, it is a requirement of the outgoing club directors to conduct a full investigation under the Fit and Proper Guidelines. Given Rangers FC’s insolvency event, it has been incumbent on the administrators, Duff and Phelps, to carry out the necessary checks on the proposed new directors, as well as our own investigations. What is the status of the investigation into use of Employee Benefit Trusts? This is an investigation under the jurisdiction of the Scottish Premier League specific to player registrations. The SPL have recently confirmed they have prima facie evidence but as the potential appellate body, we cannot comment further at this stage. cannot comment further/under review/upon conclusion - not a single clear answer to any of the questions. here we go again. more bullsh1t. more legalese. more spin. answer the feckin questions. every delay makes scottish football more of a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubands House Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Just wet myself.. . http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18880822?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=sportsound :laugh::laugh::laugh: Please be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Why wont Green name who owns Blue Flag Holdings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Why wont Green name who owns Blue Flag Holdings Why are the SFA not naming them instead of hiding behind a 'Private & Confidential document' which in all fairness must be released to the general public to see if the SFA are at it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevensan Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) because they dont want it public that ticketus effectively own Rangers. There is also the small matter of the floating charge that Craig Whyte had over Rangers IA. That hasn't just disappeared and has either been converted to shares, cash or there is another floating charge hidden somewhere. No doubt Blue Pitch holdings are owned by a myriad of companies which will eventually end up back in the Caymans/BVI/Costa Rica. Edited July 18, 2012 by stevensan blue pitch.. not blue flag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevensan Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 re: blue pitch, they appear to be linked to a series of compaines in London called Morpheus London Ltd which specialises in real estate and interior design. There is a number of names that keep cropping up, including a Giles Green. Possibly related to Charles Green? Did they sell the shares on the promise that Ibrox could be developed ala Highbury? Or is blue pitch held by someone else, and these guys are just back ground characters? Blue Pitch is not a UK company, and no company seems to exist either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryhallsdanceband Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Bit like investigating your family tree - fun this eh? Giles and Charles Green - could they be in any way related? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 This story has a long way to run yet.We also have to find out more about the involvement of Duff & Duffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamford Saintee Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Why wont Green name who owns Blue Flag Holdings Green, Whyte, Blue, Brown............... Cluedo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanginSaint Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Green, Whyte, Blue, Brown............... Cluedo? Nah , snookered ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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