Edstar101 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) The hardest job in football is putting the ball in the net. Takes a lot more focus for a full back to mark his opponent out of a game for a full 90mins and not allow them to score / provide an assist (whilst also getting up and down the wing to support the midfield / strikers) than it does for doing not much for a lot of the game then in one moment sticking the ball in the back of the net Yes, goals win games.....but conceding goals loses games also. I can see no reason why a striker should be considered more likely than any other player on the park to be considered for an award Edited April 28, 2014 by Edstar101 Saintdunc and Smarmy Arab 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Takes a lot more focus for a full back to mark his opponent out of a game for a full 90mins and not allow them to score / provide an assist (whilst also getting up and down the wing to support the midfield / strikers) than it does for doing not much for a lot of the game then in one moment sticking the ball in the back of the net Yes, goals win games.....but conceding goals loses games also. I can see no reason why a striker should be considered more likely than any other player on the park to be considered for an award The very fact that goalscorers cost so much money tells you they are much more sought after. I can see what you are saying Ed, but ask any coach/manager whether they would rather lose their left back or there top scorer to another club or injury or whatever reason, I'd bet about 99% would rather lose their left back. I'm not saying that Robertson didn't deserve the award, I haven't seen enough of him to judge. \i do stand by what I said about the hardest job in football being the scoring of goals though. Ali91 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 How hard is it to find goal scoring tables for all competitions in Scotland?! It looks like Commons has 28 and May has 27, with nobody else realistically threatening that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Top goal scorer in England won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Christmas Jones Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) if there was an inkling that he was going to Celtic at the end of the season.......would he have won? Edited April 28, 2014 by Dr Christmas Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarmy Arab Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Pat Nevin on Sportscene last night reckoned the ballot happened a while ago, possibly when May had a little dip in scoring, so he can consider himself unlucky with regards to the timing. As for Andy Robertson, it is pretty impressive in your first season as a professional at 19 years old to be selected for the national team. His energy, power, skills and consistency have impressed anyone who has watched Scottish football this season, obviously he has impressed his peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't think we can really complain about Robertson getting the award - he's been outstanding all season. If (as really should happen) the decisions be made at the end of the season, and Saints win the Scottish Cup, with Stevie scoring in the final too, then both the young player and manager awards should probably have gone to Perth, but that isn't the case. Conversely, Dundee United could win the cup with Robertson playing a blinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvhepburn Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Bumped into him at the Corinthian last night at the after party, didn't seem to be too worried about the loss of the award (though I never asked)! He deserved the accolade and it's pretty poor he never got it dispite Robertsons great season! As others have said, hopefully he ties down for another season and we can get a bit of cash for him this/next summer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The very fact that goalscorers cost so much money tells you they are much more sought after. I can see what you are saying Ed, but ask any coach/manager whether they would rather lose their left back or there top scorer to another club or injury or whatever reason, I'd bet about 99% would rather lose their left back. I'm not saying that Robertson didn't deserve the award, I haven't seen enough of him to judge. \i do stand by what I said about the hardest job in football being the scoring of goals though. Maybe consistent goalscorers are rarer, doesn't mean that on an individual basis they are better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintdunc Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 It's a team game with every player contributing. It's not solely about scoring but preventing the opposition fromdoing it. The midfield is where it is won and lost so it is, arguably, where your most 'valuable' players are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali91 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 If you were to name the fifty best players of all time you'd be well done the list before a full back is mentioned. Strikers are more valuable to a team. That's the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broon Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) All I'll say is swap Andy Robertson for Brian Easton - would we be any better off for points? I guess it's debatable but for me defensively Easton is just as good. We may have scored a couple more goals (but we may have conceded more too). Swap Stevie May for any Dundee Utd striker and we'd be about 15 points worse off. That's why goalscorer are so valuable, because you NEED them. You can get by with an average full back. Edited April 28, 2014 by Broon HOODLUM65 and Ali91 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchcolm Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Cannot see what all the fuss is about. It is player of year the competition not a top goal scorer of the year award. Players voted on who they thought played best through out the season. If they choose a left back so be it. To me May will always be king. Saintdunc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintdunc Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 If you were to name the fifty best players of all time you'd be well done the list before a full back is mentioned. Strikers are more valuable to a team. That's the way it is.Sorry to sway from the thread but, off the top of my head Beckenbauer, Zidane, Moore, Cruijff in midfield and Roberto Carlos in defence.Stevie May is no less a player for not winning the award of YPOTY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Sorry to sway from the thread but, off the top of my head Beckenbauer, Zidane, Moore, Cruijff in midfield and Roberto Carlos in defence. Stevie May is no less a player for not winning the award of YPOTY. Ashley Cole......surely the best left back in the world No, hold on, that is in the eyes of the English media...he is, in fact, an over-rated fudd Oldermoresensiblepack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali91 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Sorry to sway from the thread but, off the top of my head Beckenbauer, Zidane, Moore, Cruijff in midfield and Roberto Carlos in defence. Zidane and Cruyff were attacking players in the sense that their main job was to help in the scoring of goals. The only full back on that list is Roberto Carlos and I'd suggest to have him in the top fifty is pushing it somewhat. Agree with your second point, the award means nothing in the grand scheme of things and Robertson undoubtedly had a good season but I'd be giving it to May even without the blue tints on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Don't care in the slightest about these kind of awards as they're always badly timed and subject to being in favour of the more fashionable clubs whose players receive far more coverage. Scottish Cup'll do me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarmy Arab Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) All I'll say is swap Andy Robertson for Brian Easton - would we be any better off for points? I guess it's debatable but for me defensively Easton is just as good. We may have scored a couple more goals (but we may have conceded more too). Swap Stevie May for any Dundee Utd striker and we'd be about 15 points worse off. That's why goalscorer are so valuable, because you NEED them. You can get by with an average full back.Easton is a fair player, but evidently does not catch the eye of his peers in the way Robbo does. RE hypothetical personnel swaps......IMO United lack a classic 'no. 9' in the May mould, we have tried Graham, but so far hit has proven less successful than JMac's favoured formation containing 4 classic two footed 'no. 10's' all chipping in with significant goal hauls. If we had a Stevie May, JMac may feel differently, but this season we have scored considerably more goals than Saints and with no little panache, consequently I would not swap any of our front 4 for Stevie May, good as he is! Edited April 28, 2014 by Smarmy Arab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Easton is a fair player, but evidently does not catch the eye of his peers in the way Robbo does. RE hypothetical personnel swaps......IMO United lack a classic 'no. 9' in the May mould, we have tried Graham, but so far hit has proven less successful than JMac's favoured formation containing 4 classic two footed 'no. 10's' all chipping in with double digit hauls. If we had a Stevie May, JMac may feel differently, but this season we have scored considerably more goals than Saints and with no little panache, consequently I would not swap any of our front 4 for Stevie May, good as he is! Fair enough - I don't think any Saints fan would swap May for any of your front four either, as good as they are.You have your fit, we have ours and both have worked well this season. Testament to the two managers, and shows you can have success with a different focus/mentality. Smarmy Arab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintdunc Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Zidane and Cruyff were attacking players in the sense that their main job was to help in the scoring of goals. The only full back on that list is Roberto Carlos and I'd suggest to have him in the top fifty is pushing it somewhat.Agree with your second point, the award means nothing in the grand scheme of things and Robertson undoubtedly had a good season but I'd be giving it to May even without the blue tints on............................He is the only full back on my list!Opinion is an individual and selective thing. Roberto Carlos is often thought of as one of the top 10 Brazilians ofall time. Here's someone who thinks so http://voices.yahoo.com/top-10-best-brazilian-soccer-players-all-time-12548587.htmlHe scored a few in his time so maybe you could turn that in favour of your argument! Edited April 28, 2014 by Saintdunc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garydavidson Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 It is only one of numerous award ceremonies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I agree. I'd imagine he'll pick up various writers and journalists awards. But seriously who cares, he's a saintee and awards mean nothing in the grand scheme of things of we win trophies and see him go on to have he great career we all know he's capable of having! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejksjfc Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I have got to say IMHO that May and Robertson would both have been worthy winners ( and congratulations to Robertson) I would have been pretty pissed off if either of the other two nominations had won. But why are these awards decided before the end of the season WHEN we win the cup TW is without a shadow of doubt MOTY ........but today can we really argue that McInnes is a worthy winner............I Think not. Keep these awards until the season is over even have the final voting on the night it cant be that hard to organize a secret vote at an end of season dinner. Smarmy Arab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saints Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't think we can really complain about Robertson getting the award - he's been outstanding all season. If (as really should happen) the decisions be made at the end of the season, and Saints win the Scottish Cup, with Stevie scoring in the final too, then both the young player and manager awards should probably have gone to Perth, but that isn't the case. Conversely, Dundee United could win the cup with Robertson playing a blinder. Hope no auld reekie saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin saint Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 On radio scotland tonight - coaching kids in Crieff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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