mainstand Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 There is also the added complication of Stevy May and his new contract. Until that is signed up I doubt if TW will have a feel for the total budget he has left for any signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StansTheMan Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 There is also the added complication of Stevy May and his new contract. Until that is signed up I doubt if TW will have a feel for the total budget he has left for any signings. I agree, Stevie could have been offered close to the equivalent of a new players wage on top of what he's on just now. If he doesn't sign the deal then chances are we'll have budget for another player. If he signed the deal though then the budget is depleted somewhat. Until this is sorted out I can understand why we're not making any major moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldPoster Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Remember last season TW used Goodwillie as a Pawn to get the board to commit to a larger budget then dropped interested and signed 3 players in his place - maybe he is doing the same again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if there were three possible budgets. There are so many variables in setting budgets that it would be silly not to have back-up plans. Who knows how many season tickets we'll sell? What effect would, in the unlikely event of it happening, Dungcaster and co manage to attract some sponsors? Is Stevie May staying or going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchcolm Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I find it unbelievable that the club does not have a figure for signings and salaries. In my opinion the board must know whats the minimum amount available for TW (at least the same as last year). This gives TW some ammunition to sign players already identified. Remember we have the salaries of top players released (Haislebaink, Clegg, Dunne, Iwelumo and Clancy) to play with. I also think it is unfair on May to drag out his negotiations. If we cannot meet Goodwilies demands forget about him and look elsewhere surely the staff have a contingency plan if they do get their first choices. All this arsing about makes us look very amateurish with our season starting in a couple of weeks. It is alright saying we trust TW and have the board to thank for last season but like all businesses we have to look forward and this dilly dallying makes me think they do not have a clue what moneys available. Cagey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintdunc Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I find it unbelievable that the club does not have a figure for signings and salaries. In my opinion the board must know whats the minimum amount available for TW (at least the same as last year). This gives TW some ammunition to sign players already identified. Remember we have the salaries of top players released (Haislebaink, Clegg, Dunne, Iwelumo and Clancy) to play with. I also think it is unfair on May to drag out his negotiations. If we cannot meet Goodwilies demands forget about him and look elsewhere surely the staff have a contingency plan if they do get their first choices. All this arsing about makes us look very amateurish with our season starting in a couple of weeks. It is alright saying we trust TW and have the board to thank for last season but like all businesses we have to look forward and this dilly dallying makes me think they do not have a clue what moneys available. All businesses have to look forward but how much information do "Service Users" need to have and when do they need to have it by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete1967 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Could be a case of going into the new season with no new players being signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Stevie Brown and Tommy Wright deserve more trust than people on here are prepared to give them. I'd rather they spent time getting the right players in than panicked and signed another Rory Fallon and David Robertson. Saintdunc and StansTheMan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Ex falkirk and carlisle striker lee miller looking for a clubwould be a cheaper option than goodwillie whos probably looking for eng chamionship wagesHas signed for Killie. One less competition for Goodwillie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I find it unbelievable that the club does not have a figure for signings and salaries. In my opinion the board must know whats the minimum amount available for TW (at least the same as last year). This gives TW some ammunition to sign players already identified. Remember we have the salaries of top players released (Haislebaink, Clegg, Dunne, Iwelumo and Clancy) to play with. I also think it is unfair on May to drag out his negotiations. If we cannot meet Goodwilies demands forget about him and look elsewhere surely the staff have a contingency plan if they do get their first choices. All this arsing about makes us look very amateurish with our season starting in a couple of weeks. It is alright saying we trust TW and have the board to thank for last season but like all businesses we have to look forward and this dilly dallying makes me think they do not have a clue what moneys available. I am bemused as to your comment about Stevy Mays negotiations being dragged out. My understanding is that the Club have made an offer the payers agent was discussing it with him at the weekend and coming back to the Club today. Don't see how the club can be blamed for that. Salary wise we will have Caddis, kane in the first team squad calculations now as well where as last year they were on loan which gave us the cash to fund at least one of the signings mentioned, StansTheMan and HOODLUM65 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croc Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 (edited) I find it unbelievable that the club does not have a figure for signings and salaries. In my opinion the board must know whats the minimum amount available for TW (at least the same as last year). This gives TW some ammunition to sign players already identified. Remember we have the salaries of top players released (Haislebaink, Clegg, Dunne, Iwelumo and Clancy) to play with. I also think it is unfair on May to drag out his negotiations. If we cannot meet Goodwilies demands forget about him and look elsewhere surely the staff have a contingency plan if they do get their first choices. All this arsing about makes us look very amateurish with our season starting in a couple of weeks. It is alright saying we trust TW and have the board to thank for last season but like all businesses we have to look forward and this dilly dallying makes me think they do not have a clue what moneys available. After doing the "Business" after a mere 130 years .!Tommy Wright and Steve Brown have my implicit trust and total confidence ....until at least Christmas.! Edited July 1, 2014 by croc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Saint Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 When is the deadline for signings for Euro tie on 17th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODLUM65 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 (edited) I find it unbelievable that the club does not have a figure for signings and salaries. In my opinion the board must know whats the minimum amount available for TW (at least the same as last year). This gives TW some ammunition to sign players already identified. Remember we have the salaries of top players released (Haislebaink, Clegg, Dunne, Iwelumo and Clancy) to play with. I also think it is unfair on May to drag out his negotiations. If we cannot meet Goodwilies demands forget about him and look elsewhere surely the staff have a contingency plan if they do get their first choices. All this arsing about makes us look very amateurish with our season starting in a couple of weeks. It is alright saying we trust TW and have the board to thank for last season but like all businesses we have to look forward and this dilly dallying makes me think they do not have a clue what moneys available. The "arsing about " as you describe it appears to be obtained from what you read on here. Regarding budgets for the forthcoming season, they have not been made public (and neither should they) so there again you are believing the pish being spouted on here by those speculating what the budget(s) is/are. Stay calm and carry on. Edited July 1, 2014 by HOODLUM65 lmsaintee and Pictdownunder 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sainteefaecupar Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Tommy wright said last week that they still had not been given the final figure from the cup final as all the deductions had not been completed HOODLUM65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickDT Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Could Tommy simply be using the media as a tool to nudge down Goodwillies wages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Remember Tommy's own contract is not resolved. Maybe his thinking is that if he signs no new players, he can get 20 grand a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Remember Tommy's own contract is not resolved. Maybe his thinking is that if he signs no new players, he can get 20 grand a week Oh that rascal! I wonder if Steve wants to get all the contracts for existing players/staff sorted before starting on new signings? Tommy said his new deal was 'pretty close' and Stevie May will sign back up again too, so I suppose it makes sense to assess the budget damage once that's done? I'd imagine that, if Tommy is signing a new deal, CD and Cleland will too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I've worked on more budgets than any of you! It's really hard with so many variables. Wages, PAYE, NIC's, VAT, bonuses (unless you're a certain Glasgow club). It's nobody's business but the business itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Might also need to hold back a potential wage for a longer term Muzz deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBored Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 As I understand it, the club do not yet know how much they will receive from winning the Scottish Cup last season in terms of gate receipts etc. As has been mentioned there is the potential of a league sponser (though with Doncaster in charge, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one). The club don't yet know how much Stevie May will 'settle' for to sign an extension, so that muddies the water a little in terms of the budget. So I imagine the club will wait to see what comes of the first point and what May signs for...realistically there is no hurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 The thing with May is that it is a business deal. We know he's going to go so we're just ensuring that we get a fee for him. Fair play to the player for recognising that and wanting to work with the club to make sure that happens. So with that in mind isn't it worth just getting him signed sooner rather than later as any money spent over the season will be recouped? He can't be wanting that much more and with Hasselbaink gone surely there's enough wedge available to get a deal done now? Wright's comments about Goodwillie make me wonder if perhaps they're not waiting for May to go to free up cash to land that DAB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Re your point, Andrew. Of course there are variables but that's what pulling a budget together is all about. Base your budget on a certain scenario and go from there. I would be amazed if we hadn't done the guts of this work already with some tweaks to reflect season ticket numbers etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Re your point, Andrew. Of course there are variables but that's what pulling a budget together is all about. Base your budget on a certain scenario and go from there. I would be amazed if we hadn't done the guts of this work already with some tweaks to reflect season ticket numbers etc. I know. I was being........what's the word? Provocative? Patronising? Budgets aren't difficult at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstar101 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I know. I was being........what's the word? Provocative? Patronising? Budgets aren't difficult at all. A t***? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 A t***? That's the one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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