andy rhodes fancy watch Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Is it enjoyable for you to watch dundee getting pumped by everyone in the spl this season ? Not for me , although it looks like they'll save us the worry of relegation . Quiercepede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Ferg Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I would love to see Dundee stay up for the benefit of Saints finances and for the thrills and spills of the derby! Das Rave and SingaporeSaint 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Sammy Johnston Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I agree I would be disappointed if they went down, c'mon the coags get yer finger oot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsaintee Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 DFC=Down For Christmas they should have been in the juniors with all their cheating 6p in the pound and 1p in the pound what about the people they owed money but just wrote off st josephs were a junior team they could have replaced they had links with dundee Dave Ferg and dan loves saints 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamford Saintee Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 they're going down to play the Dundee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranmere Saintee Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 They will probably be saved by league reconstruction!! fergiefootball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintj Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 It's a real shame seeing 1 of the biggest clubs in Scotland get pumped week in week out SingaporeSaint, 541ntees and dan loves saints 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarmy Arab Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I would have the Dee in the SPL over Killie or St Midden any season. I hope Barry Smith gets a foothold soon or I fear the worst............ SingaporeSaint and chips 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I would have the Dee in the SPL over Killie or St Midden any season. I hope Barry Smith gets a foothold soon or I fear the worst............ Totally agree with this,but cannot see them overcoming this slump.For obvious reasons they just weren't/aren't prepared for life in the top division,it is going to take a major piece of work and money along with time to get them anywhere near the standard needed to survive this season,i don't know if Smith is the man to get the best from his squad Dee fans will know better than me,money i suspect is something the board really don't have considering past money problems,as for time if things don't happen sooner rather than later they will see the gap between them and second bottom to wide to catch.I really don't want to see them giving up too early in the campaign and just go through the motions week in week out.If i had the choice i would certainly pick the likes of Killie or St Mirren for relegation and keep the tayside and highland teams in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Yes, it's enjoyable. I'll save my sympathy for the people and businesses this lot screw every few years when they decide to dip back into serial-cheater mode. As far as I'm concerned they're taking up a place in the league that should be Dunfermline's. Barty1884, Saintdunc and nips 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 As far as I'm concerned they're taking up a place in the league that should be Dunfermline's. Well no, Dunfermline lost their right to that place last season when they finished bottom last year, getting pumped along the way. Promoting Dundee was the best choice but they decision to delay telling everyone until the season was about to start was a disaster. They were handicapped but signings like Easton and Nish were good. They're quite clearly the worst team in the league, although I'm convinced Ross County will slump, and they'll be relegated. But they deserve the place more than Dunfermline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Well no, Dunfermline lost their right to that place last season when they finished bottom last year, getting pumped along the way. So, by the same logic, didn't Dundee lose their right to that place when they finished second in the First Division and failed to meet the criteria for promotion? So why do they "deserve the place more" than Dunfermline? Dunfermline finished bottom of a league in which one of the clubs above them was guilty of cheating on massive scale. Dunfermline have been cheated; Dundee haven't. Under those circumstances, I'd have said it would have been perfectly fair to grant Dunfermline an amnesty from relegation. Barty1884, stevensan and andy rhodes fancy watch 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 They will probably be saved by league reconstruction!! Or Romanov pulling the pin on the Jambos.......Maybe David Murray will buy Dundee in January . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abernethy Saint Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Or Romanov pulling the pin on the Jambos.......Maybe David Murray will buy Dundee in January . The whole of Dundee????? Christ, you could be talking ten...maybe fifteen thousand pounds! Has he got that sort of cash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saticon1 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Both Dundee teams are crap this season, Dundee can't get any worse, can United ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gort Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 We are struggling just now but will easily stay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad saints fan Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I barely even notice they're in the same league as us to be honest, bit of a non attraction. Then when you take a look at their squad and the total lack of any quality and then you remind yourself that pretty much the same squad finished 2nd in the 1st division last year, it just shows how the quality of 1st division football has fallen dramatically since we were there. But if I was given the choice of Dundee or anyone else in the 1st division I'd take Dundee every time purely because of their location and the financial benefits of the amount of fans they should bring to McDiarmid Park...plus you're looking at Partick of Dunfermline as suitable replacements just now and we know how guff that Dunfermline team is...you couldn't pay me to go and watch them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsaintee Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 We are struggling just now but will easily stay up. how many points did you finish way behind Ross county and who do you think you will be above (easily aye right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingaporeSaint Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 We are struggling just now but will easily stay up. Good Man Gort, somebody has to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingaporeSaint Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I would love to see Dundee stay up for the benefit of Saints finances and for the thrills and spills of the derby! I would also like Dundee to stay up, only because St Johnstone financially benefit and we have a good chance of a relatively easy nine points every season. john1962 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 So, by the same logic, didn't Dundee lose their right to that place when they finished second in the First Division and failed to meet the criteria for promotion? So why do they "deserve the place more" than Dunfermline? Dunfermline finished bottom of a league in which one of the clubs above them was guilty of cheating on massive scale. Dunfermline have been cheated; Dundee haven't. Under those circumstances, I'd have said it would have been perfectly fair to grant Dunfermline an amnesty from relegation. Dunfermline had their chance to stay up, Rangers "cheating" goes well back over a decade so there was no direct impact on Dunfermline being relegated because of this. They finished bottom after 38 games so should be relegated, pure and simple. It's a bit of a pointless discussion anyway as Dunfermline never applied for the vacant SPL place, Dundee did. It was a bit of a obvious decision but somehow took forever to sort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Dunfermline had their chance to stay up, Rangers "cheating" goes well back over a decade so there was no direct impact on Dunfermline being relegated because of this. They finished bottom after 38 games so should be relegated, pure and simple. Sorry, but none of that demonstrates Dundee deserving the place more than Dunfermline, as the same points can apply to both clubs: Dundee had their chance to win their league, but failed; Dundee finished 2nd after 30-odd games so shouldn't be promoted, pure and simple. If you think that Dunfermline's performance over the course of the season means that they don't deserve the SPL place, then why do you not apply that same logic to Dundee? What Rangers did had a direct impact on every SPL club. They were obtaining league positions, prize money and trophies that they had no right to obtain, because they were cheating. Take them out of the equation and everyone moves up a place (saving Dunfermline); take away the points that they obtained by cheating and they finish bottom of the league (saving Dunfermline); punish them with relegation (which failed to happen) and it also saves Dunfermline. Whichever way you look at it, Dunfermline are one of the biggest victims of Rangers' cheating. Sure, Dunfermline failed last season, but they failed over the course of 38 matches which will be forever tainted because the league was not fairly contested (Rangers effectively ruined the entire SPL season for everyone and made it a historical write-off). The same cannot be said for Dundee. Dundee had an entirely fair chance to finish top of their league, on a level playing field, and they just weren't good enough. They should not be in the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingaporeSaint Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I think it is an SPL rule that the bottom club will be relegated regardless on what goes on elsewhere. ie the neweco saga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 We are struggling just now but will easily stay up. Is it difficult to breath with your head under all that sand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryangordon86 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I think it is an SPL rule that the bottom club will be relegated regardless on what goes on elsewhere. ie the neweco saga How have teams stayed up previously when the 1st division winner hasn't met the required stadia requirements? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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