Pat McGroin Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, mainstand said: lots of comments on players ages but look at some of the players that have transferred between clubs in Scotland and abroad over the last few years that were into their 30s and have done well Weir at rangers 35 Moravcik Celtic 33 McGregor to Rangers 36 Marshall to Hibs 37 Ronaldo Man Utd agreen we need to bring in young players but just because a player is over 30 does not mean to say they are on the scrap heap. Have you been in a coma Cagey? Weir and Moravcik weren’t in the last few years!! Surely nearer 20 years ago! Shagger and Marshall, both top keepers, lifespan of a keeper is way longer than an outfield player. The other one just happens to be one of the most dedicated and unbelievable athletes ever to wear studs. Might as well chuck Ibrahimovic on to that list too, for all the relevance it has at our level! edit - just checked, Moravcik joined Celtic in the same year Scotland last attended a World Cup and Weir was 2007!! Edited July 19, 2022 by Pat McGroin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern saint Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Unfortunately, we can debate the merits or not of the recruitment of players but until we have new coaches, we will never see what these players could be. How often has a new recruit been played in their correct position and looked good? Butterfield, even Crawford but always for a very short period of time. Hallberg looked good but recent games not so. Is this because of where he is playing or is he no good? So many questions but until we change the coaching staff, we'll never know. Bad recruitment or bad coaching or worse both bad! As far as age goes, I'm with if they're good enough, it doesn't matter. I'm hoping Sinclair plays tonight and even two up front. I'm not convinced Davidson will change even with nothing to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Stanley Matthews played till he was 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy1949 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Northern saint said: Unfortunately, we can debate the merits or not of the recruitment of players but until we have new coaches, we will never see what these players could be. How often has a new recruit been played in their correct position and looked good? Butterfield, even Crawford but always for a very short period of time. Hallberg looked good but recent games not so. Is this because of where he is playing or is he no good? So many questions but until we change the coaching staff, we'll never know. Bad recruitment or bad coaching or worse both bad! As far as age goes, I'm with if they're good enough, it doesn't matter. I'm hoping Sinclair plays tonight and even two up front. I'm not convinced Davidson will change even with nothing to lose. I think the problem with playing Sinclair is if he plays for us and then we sign another keeper he can then only play for one other club this season if he goes out on loan which I expect he will. I think the club will hope he gets a full seasons football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Pat McGroin said: Have you been in a coma Cagey? Weir and Moravcik weren’t in the last few years!! Surely nearer 20 years ago! Shagger and Marshall, both top keepers, lifespan of a keeper is way longer than an outfield player. The other one just happens to be one of the most dedicated and unbelievable athletes ever to wear studs. Might as well chuck Ibrahimovic on to that list too, for all the relevance it has at our level! edit - just checked, Moravcik joined Celtic in the same year Scotland last attended a World Cup and Weir was 2007!! I take enough flack on here without getting the blame for Mainstands ramblings. PSJ.84, garydavidson, mainstand and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Northern saint said: How often has a new recruit been played in their correct position and looked good? Butterfield, even Crawford but always for a very short period of time. Hallberg looked good but recent games not so. Is this because of where he is playing or is he no good? Can’t ever remember Butterfield looking good, Crawford produced big moments last season but I’d still argue that he doesn’t do enough. Towards the tail end of last season Hallberg was used higher up and formed a pretty decent partnership with Rooney and Hendry on the right hand side. The manager has gone crazy on attacking midfielders this summer, stunting Hallberg as he’s forced to play deeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Cagey said: I take enough flack on here without getting the blame for Mainstands ramblings. I find it funny that anyone could think you and i were the same blueheaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, PSJ.84 said: Can’t ever remember Butterfield looking good, Crawford produced big moments last season but I’d still argue that he doesn’t do enough. Towards the tail end of last season Hallberg was used higher up and formed a pretty decent partnership with Rooney and Hendry on the right hand side. The manager has gone crazy on attacking midfielders this summer, stunting Hallberg as he’s forced to play deeper I thought Butterfield looked a really good, tidy player when he first arrived. Crawford also did fairly well initially. Ambrose also had a strong start but was quickly binned after a bad game (admittedly it was a very bad game). Even Ciftci looked the part at first but seemed to quickly lose interest. Hallberg I agree is being really hampered by being played out of position. I'm struggling to understand why a manager who has seen how effective Hallberg can be further forward, and knows how much we struggle to score goals, wouldn't build his team around getting Hallberg playing to his absolute best and in his most effective position. saintee in exile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 I'll never understand why a manager would play a player out of position but Davidson loves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezza70 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, blueheaven said: I thought Butterfield looked a really good, tidy player when he first arrived. Crawford also did fairly well initially. Ambrose also had a strong start but was quickly binned after a bad game (admittedly it was a very bad game). Even Ciftci looked the part at first but seemed to quickly lose interest. Hallberg I agree is being really hampered by being played out of position. I'm struggling to understand why a manager who has seen how effective Hallberg can be further forward, and knows how much we struggle to score goals, wouldn't build his team around getting Hallberg playing to his absolute best and in his most effective position. I wonder what happens in the video reviews of games, do our staff actually give suggestions to CD regarding player performance or are they all yes men? If the players are asked opinions I wonder if they are more interested in keeping their starting spot then questioning our style ie passing backwards, long balls up the pitch with one target with three defenders on them or wingers not pushing forward and crossing the ball? Surely these things must get discussed at some level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintee in exile Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 52 minutes ago, blueheaven said: I thought Butterfield looked a really good, tidy player when he first arrived. Crawford also did fairly well initially. Ambrose also had a strong start but was quickly binned after a bad game (admittedly it was a very bad game). Even Ciftci looked the part at first but seemed to quickly lose interest. Hallberg I agree is being really hampered by being played out of position. I'm struggling to understand why a manager who has seen how effective Hallberg can be further forward, and knows how much we struggle to score goals, wouldn't build his team around getting Hallberg playing to his absolute best and in his most effective position. Because he's a poor manager and stubborn as a mule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linky Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, blueheaven said: I thought Butterfield looked a really good, tidy player when he first arrived. Crawford also did fairly well initially. Ambrose also had a strong start but was quickly binned after a bad game (admittedly it was a very bad game). Even Ciftci looked the part at first but seemed to quickly lose interest. Hallberg I agree is being really hampered by being played out of position. I'm struggling to understand why a manager who has seen how effective Hallberg can be further forward, and knows how much we struggle to score goals, wouldn't build his team around getting Hallberg playing to his absolute best and in his most effective position. I agree - Butterfield gave the team a lift in his early games. Ambrose had a good start. Will Hallberg go down the same route? Something is wrong for all these players to start well and then go downhill so significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainstand Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, rik2304 said: I'll never understand why a manager would play a player out of position but Davidson loves it. Is he playing them out of position or just trying to do something different. Also is a lot of positions not inter-changeable? Was Kerr not a midfielder and saints tried him in a reserve game at the back and that was how he got on. Some managers try and play left footed players on right had so they can cut in others look for wingers to play wing backs so they can give them more of an attacking presence etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland-Saint Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 35 minutes ago, Linky said: I agree - Butterfield gave the team a lift in his early games. Ambrose had a good start. Will Hallberg go down the same route? Something is wrong for all these players to start well and then go downhill so significantly. I'm not sure he's got the dressing room yet or the players on his side, confident in their boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, mainstand said: Is he playing them out of position or just trying to do something different. Also is a lot of positions not inter-changeable? Was Kerr not a midfielder and saints tried him in a reserve game at the back and that was how he got on. Some managers try and play left footed players on right had so they can cut in others look for wingers to play wing backs so they can give them more of an attacking presence etc. Some positions might be interchangeable. Probably not CDM to WB though. And when we've seen how effective Hallberg can be in an attacking role it seems crazy to then use him in a role that nullifies that. Davidson certainly isn't the only one that does this though but it's absolutely baffling. Like watching the national team and seeing McTominay at CB. Edited July 19, 2022 by rik2304 PSJ.84, Cagey and mainstand 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, mainstand said: Is he playing them out of position or just trying to do something different. Also is a lot of positions not inter-changeable? Was Kerr not a midfielder and saints tried him in a reserve game at the back and that was how he got on. Some managers try and play left footed players on right had so they can cut in others look for wingers to play wing backs so they can give them more of an attacking presence etc. I don't have a problem with trying out players in different positions if it gets results. The problem is, our results have been woeful for a long time now. Sometimes a player shows an attribute that makes you think they might do well in another role. If a manager can spot that and bring it out of them then fair play to them. Paul Hartley switched to centre mid while he was at Saints and it probably changed the course of his whole career. Chris Millar also came here as a wide player and moved into the middle. But I'd be really fascinated to know what attributes Callum has seen in Charlie Gilmour that make him think he could ever be a success at RWB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crieffsaintandy Posted March 19, 2023 Report Share Posted March 19, 2023 We know it won't happen as the board and other hangers on that are running the club are not interested, but after that absolute disgrace of a first half when you thought they couldn't get any worse they did, and Davidson set it all up, paid 25 quid to watch killie look like world beaters! It amazes me that seasoned pros like Macca Liam and ek Cleland cannot see thus, or are they just yes men? Heard yesterday Davidson wanted to ho last season but was talked out of it, which is a worry as he destroys this club with mediocrity. Perfect time to change now to build for next season, as would a new person do any worse over the next 9 games? The Kinross Saint and Coltrane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted March 19, 2023 Report Share Posted March 19, 2023 32 minutes ago, crieffsaintandy said: We know it won't happen as the board and other hangers on that are running the club are not interested, but after that absolute disgrace of a first half when you thought they couldn't get any worse they did, and Davidson set it all up, paid 25 quid to watch killie look like world beaters! It amazes me that seasoned pros like Macca Liam and ek Cleland cannot see thus, or are they just yes men? Heard yesterday Davidson wanted to ho last season but was talked out of it, which is a worry as he destroys this club with mediocrity. Perfect time to change now to build for next season, as would a new person do any worse over the next 9 games? If true then that person needs a slap. The regression over the last two seasons has been unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 GTF End the misery please, whichever fool is in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Awful manager. Havana Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havana Saint Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 He's been a disaster for too long. He MUST GO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Hes got tae go, look at the difference in Dons and Motherwell, to late fir us, were going down..No heart no fight. Havana Saint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibbydoo Posted April 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Get Callum and Macca out. Let Liam take charge until the end of the season. Change to a back 4. Play to win. If we go down, so be it. But I can't support this clown for one minute longer. Saint Stevo, templeofsaints and The Kinross Saint 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOB10 Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 Enough is enough! Playing 5 at the back at home against Ross county is stackable alone! Pack your bags tonight davidson ffs do the right thing as we all know the broons dont have the bottle to sack you!. I Would be on the phone to tommy begging him to take us until the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Grieve Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 A complete clear out required…….no point in sacking CD and keeping Liam on. A clean sweep and a rescue mission. GOB10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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