Honest Saints Fan Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/6460756/Low-pay-shame-of-top-clubs.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-ScottishSun-_-20150518-_-SunScotNews-_-181909738 Saints will be shamed on a BBC documentary tonight for not paying staff a living wage. Pretty shite from Saints and hope to see them change this ASAP! Jiangsu Sainty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilgour Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Think those involved will be part-timers etc. who are getting at least the minimum wage,but lets wait and see before we wet our knickers. Quite noticeably list does not contain those who have in the past failed to pay at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Jack Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I think all we can take from that at the moment is that Neil Doncaster has fairly bad skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 At least the minimum wage. Whoop de doo. With so many working poor I'm embarrassed Saints can't pay all their staff the living wage. Hearts have managed it, no reason we can't. dave mc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I heard that Stevie May was offered a zero hours contract. bruce and Al C 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50yrs a Saint Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Maybe If Doncaster and his band of freeloaders has managed to support clubs by sorting out a sponsorship deal over the last couple of years, and had paid up for our Cup Final win instead of taking a significant wedge themselves and giving more to Celtic, in addition to pocketing a considerable amount hiring out Hampden for Commonwealth Games, then we would be in a better position to pay higher wages. Let's be honest, we arent squandering money on transfer fees and we are not exactly raking money in from attendances. Let's wait till we hear what programme says before we jump to criticise the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 It's definitely Doncaster's fault. 100%. Kyle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin James Is On Stilts Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 This thread's going to turn into a humdinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethamsaintee Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Why is this even of any relevance? There's thousands of Employers paying their staff the minimum wage. The legal minimum wage. Football clubs as ever are an easy target. Nelly78, nips and 541ntees 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rik2304 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I think that this is quite clearly a case of "Cameron's Britain". I hope that all the NO voters can sleep at night in their mansions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slf Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I wouldnae wipe ma bum with the sun.the sun is the lowliest and scummiest rag out there. babychunder, Dave H, The ghost of Jim Morton and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broon Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I wouldn't describe a club who barely manage to turn a profit but are not paying the living wage 'shameful'. I do however agree that large multi-national corporations who turn tens, hundreds and billions of pounds profit and yet don't pay the living wage are shameful. You also have to consider that this list includes sub-contracted staff. For example, if Saints use/used a cleaning firm and that firm were paying below the living wage to their staff. And if this list contains the wee boys and lassies who work on the pie stalls then frankly it's not worth the paper its written on. More details before we wage all out reputational war please. Cagey, Miguel Simao, nips and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixties saintee Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 When the government passes legislation everyone should be on it then Saints can pay it end off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Seems this has been posted because the OPs beloved Ross County aren't on the list. While it would be nice if everyone got paid more, the minimum wage is what it is, and there are massive more pressing reasons why people in this country are struggling. Maybe we should sign up all our staff on EBTs and not pay NI or PAYE - then they'd be better off? The folk selling pies and coffee - do folk working in all the fast food joints in Perth get living wage? Are they 'shamed' for not doing it. Why are Saints any different? The club has run at a loss for the last 3 years. If my company ran at a loss for three years, i'd be out on my arse, not looking for a pay-rise. Any opportunity for HSF to put the club down. Balhousie Blue 1884, sixties saintee, Oldermoresensiblepack and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhq Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Seems this has been posted because the OPs beloved Ross County aren't on the list. While it would be nice if everyone got paid more, the minimum wage is what it is, and there are massive more pressing reasons why people in this country are struggling. Maybe we should sign up all our staff on EBTs and not pay NI or PAYE - then they'd be better off? The folk selling pies and coffee - do folk working in all the fast food joints in Perth get living wage? Are they 'shamed' for not doing it. Why are Saints any different? The club has run at a loss for the last 3 years. If my company ran at a loss for three years, i'd be out on my arse, not looking for a pay-rise. Any opportunity for HSF to put the club down.Nail on head Monty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Once I see a post about Saints not paying players wages or other employees alongside leaving thousands (and much more) of pounds unpaid to all sorts of crediors. Leaving small businesses toiling and near closure due to their goodwill of works committed or goods provided. Then and only then will I concern myself with any sort embarrassment towards Saints. Not that any of the above morally affected The The, Dundee, Livi etc etc etc In todays climate and the past few years, theres not many ccompany's out there who dont have some sort of employees on their books collecting the minimum wage. No laws are being broken. Its a sad fact of life that some people find themselves in this position. Have a look at the company Fishers in Inveralmond, prob employs around 100 people, around 90% on or around the minimum wage. I would bet that just about every professional club has employees on the lowest rate or hovering a few pence above it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin James Is On Stilts Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Although it's not legislated or enforced (yet), we're seeing more and more companies moving their pay scales to accommodate the living wage. I guess the reason that football clubs have been chosen on this occasion is probably because of the perceived gap in salaries between those at the bottom of the ladder working in the shops/offices and the players on the pitch who earn thousands for 'just kicking a ball'. I'd be interested to see some facts and figures for clubs down south, as the gap will be exponentially more. Should Saints be paying the living wage? Morally, yes probably. Can the club afford to? I have no idea at all. At the moment, Saints are obviously well within their rights not to pay it, but until it becomes law then I can imagine we'll see more and more articles like this, piling the pressure onto high profile businesses of all sizes by the unions and the press, with negatively spun pieces and 'documentaries' giving journalists free reign to publicly shame those not paying it and giving them a cheap sensationalist headline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-montrosesaintee Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Do the 'superstar footballers' at Saints get paid any more than the top 20 or 30 staff at lots of companies? While it is completely relevant to clubs with players earning wages in the many hundreds of thousands, Saints players aren't in the glamorous multi-millionaire bracket that footballers seem to be stereotyped as. Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if all clubs adopted living wage, and particularly Saints as a community/family club, but not doing so to date is certainly not shameful in my opinion. Another thing - the article is headed by a picture of Neil Doncaster - WTF does he get paid for being a useless waste for space? A smidgen more than working wage I'd wager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysaint Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 not enougth according to some! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Sounds like a storm in a teacup this, can't see all that much wrong being done by the club? Are some of the staff at McDiarmid not volunteers anyway? Surely they wouldn't be included in this "report" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerthSeany Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 There's loads of clubs who don't pay the living wage. As someone as said a business making a loss can't have the luxury to hand out £££ where they can't afford. I don't want to sound harsh either but particularly the restaurant staff where are you going to get a waitress/waiter job that pays the living wage? fazman1977 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul N Shark Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 The Hunz are still due the face painter a few bob at Ipox, at least folk working for Saints get what there due. fazman1977 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientsaint Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Doesnt say how much below the minimum age Saints are - could be pennies OR could be pounds. I blame UEFA for fining Saints for a flag wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint GB Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Get this moved to the Perth Chat Can't bare to read anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethamsaintee Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 There's loads of clubs who don't pay the living wage. As someone as said a business making a loss can't have the luxury to hand out £££ where they can't afford. I don't want to sound harsh either but particularly the restaurant staff where are you going to get a waitress/waiter job that pays the living wage? I might be totally wrong but I think the Saturday staff at McDiarmid, such as the young kiosk folk, get considerably more than minimum wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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