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Stevie May and his “advisers” (whoever they may be) would have been naive in the extreme to think they would be offered the same deal again after taking the piss out of the club in particularl Tommy Wright. It’s all about actions and consequences and it was May and his people’s action that soured the deal. Im not entirely convinced that the club are to blame for the current situation ,after all Tommy Wright clearly stated on radio pre Celtic game it was not the club who “moved the goal posts”. Stevie May ain’t the player we all worshiped 5 years ago,I think there was an element of chancing one’s mit when it was obvious our need for a striker and in particular our desire to bring him back to the fold.Personaly I don’t think there’s much interest in Stevie from other clubsand he could well end up back with us,it will take something to break the stalemate between the two parties but an enhanced deal isn’t the answer.

So when your team is on a bad run you just turn your back on them and go and watch someone else? From where I live I could easily start going to ICT, Ross County, Elgin or any number of decent Highland League teams. Or I could just continue to skive off work early and drive 110 miles down to Perth in whatever conditions the A9 can throw at me to support my team and then drive 110 miles back. Yeah, I think I'll just keep doing that, no matter who our chairman or manager or three goals a season striker is.

He'll have the sprinklers on from about 6am...

no ,because I would have to put up with you.

Sasha,your bitterness is getting out of hand. I had a lot of sympathy with your comments but you are overdoing it.

rangers motherwell dundee Airdrie /Clydebank hearts Livingston all went bust .wheres there fuqing rich investor spunking wads for fun and kudos. fuq I would rather have a club and be part time than be a fan of these clubs.

Zander finally signs new contract http://bit.ly/2Kn6303

Why would we want a player who can't get a game for a team we plan to finish above in the league, in a position we don't need to fill?

I think it depends what you mean by 'prudently'. Clearly, we're not bankrupt. But in all honestly not going bust is a fairly basic objective when you have an operating model where the main cost base is headcount. The fixed cost base is low, variable costs high. That's not quite the same as, oh I don't knew, a construction business. To me the attitude to risk is an issue (too prudent), the capital structure is an issue (full ownership of the asset by one individual), and the overall strategy is an issue (you can't cut your way into growth, as has been proved countless times, and there seems to be no investment in innovation or product marketing). I think as someone said here or elsewhere he's doing an OK job of running 'the business', but you'd have to be almost wilfully incompetent not to be and like so many small business owners I've come across I suspect he mistakes cost control for good management. However on the question of if he's doing a good job of running the football club I've voted no on the basis that for me, that question is about growth. It's got the feel of a managed decline, baseline investment with a view to protecting the asset for sale.

Every single Asda employee is currently being asked that question, and if they don’t sign, they’re out. I want May to sign, but let’s not feel too sorry for the lad - he’s a wealthy man who could have signed for us some time ago on a wage almost all of us will never see.

I haven't voted, I think its a bit more complex than a yes or no answer. Is he perfect-No, is he running the club prudently-yes and there's lots of questions and answers in between, I wish there could have been a middle of the road option as really that's probably where anyone should be running the club.

Fed up o aw the wingers and moaners going on wae there selves, we all know Broon is a tight wad, so instead of people sponcering shirts which I believe is around £ 300 if people matched that and put it into a fund for the sole purpose of paying a players wage help Tommy out and the club, quite happy to start it off instead of moaning and wingeing do something , or are you quite happy to slag Broon and do nothing, put your money where your mouth is.

That game was bloody awful. Some choppers in that United side.

Lets get to it and f#ckin pump them, go home and get pished. Braw.

season ticket bought today, season starts tomorrow. MUST WIN game. Really hope to see 2 up top, I'm thinking a 1-0 from the penalty spot. heavy pitch given the rain in the last week, so really hope we score early because as the game goes on it will just become two teams nullifying each other in the forecasted rain. Livi will come for a draw, are we good to break them down - hope so!

To be fair, we have got too many wingers.

He's apparently a Rangers fan, and hes now pulled all his funding, even the youth stuff, out of the club, because his friend has been taken off the board. Hes managed to get a stand named after him though... Shows how petty folk with money can be. I've slated Brown a lot the past few days, but I'd rather the way he runs it than have someone come in, pump money in chasing some pipe dream, and then ****ing off and leaving us knackered. Ideally Brown would take more of a back seat and allow full time staff below him to run things a bit more professional, as just now it all feels a bit dated, I don't think he needs to be involved in everything. Nobody with money will invest in a Scottish club without some huge personal attachment to the club, I'd be massively skeptical of a foreign owner investing in us with the idea of getting it back, as you don't make money from this league.

spot on . I agree.

Apparently Saints were only advised that Hemmings was available as a loan deal and were never informed he was available on a free transfer.

Off you pop then, cheery bye.

But still no goal-scorer.

A few thoughts: I'm just back from holiday and my wi fi connection was poor but tried to keep up with developments - some of the posts were depressing. I must be honest I thought the May deal would have been done by now but I still expect to see him in the team tomorrow. Seriously some of the conspiracy theorists on this form need a reality check. Brown is a hard nose b****** like his dad but to even suggest he is trying to drive out TW is crazy. We are desperate to see some new faces like all teams but we are prudent fiscally and that is the way people will be watching St.Johnstone long after we're gone. I expect to see some new faces before the window shuts for us and if they are in the mould of Kennnedy and Dre Wright ( Remember him) I had never a heard of either before last year we are in good hands. Great to see Zander extending his contract - wish he'd get rid of that F@@@ing beard!

All the stuff in the first paragraph I completely agree with. I don't think that we're deliberately being geared up to be put on the market. However, they have talked about reducing headcount (players) and a lot of the big assets on the books will be well depreciated by now, and the family have been in charge for a while. Any other business you'd think that it would be at least talking to them if you were on the lookout to buy. My argument is that for Steve, it could be good timing. And as a prudent businessman that he allegedly is there's no way he won't have an exit strategy. As for investors, again like any other business it absolutely depends on the motivation, and what they want to and expect to get out of it. For example Fergus McCann seems to have had a real love and passion for the club. I'd say that most Celtic fans thought that went fairly well. Partick Thistle is interesting. That was a well-meaning fan that pumped a fair bit of his own cash into the club but it mostly seems to have been spent on infrastructure and all that did was help the balance sheet. Not close enough to the detail to say if it's gone 'well' or not but suspect that while it's not been a game changer I don't think it's been actively harmful and they're probably where they would have been anyway but with better training facilities. Then there's Ross County who I would argue have done well out of an angel investor, and have definitely over-achieved when you consider that they're a club from a small rural town on the far fringes of a tiny city that can barely support a full-time team itself. So it's a case by case thing for me, not 'outside money bad, status quo good'. At the end of the day Brown himself is an investor. What I'm suggesting is that, essentially, a richer or more willing to invest version of Brown would I think be welcome, possibly necessary. Maybe he's set expectations too high as the club has done so well, helped by others struggling, but if he's not careful the legacy that should be a positive one will turn sour. I don't see it as 'splash the cash' vs 'go the way of Gretna'. The middle ground is a bit more investment to keep us in the chasing pack not at the back of the field.

I find it weird that over the course of this thread people have convinced themselves that the club apparently wants to get relegated (ridiculous) and has stopped spending money so that it can be sold (none of the recent investment in the team throughout last season backs that argument at all, and neither does the fact that we offered Stevie May a bloody good deal that would apparently have made him our highest paid player ever) and that somehow a Championship club is a better investment for an outsider than a struggling Premier League one (why?? and besides, we're not a struggling Premier League club - since promotion, we haven't had a single season where we've struggled or been in a relegation fight). Also frightening that people think some moneybags investor would be the answer for Saints, after all the club has been through and all we've seen other Scottish clubs go through. Is there a single example of a big-money outsider rocking up at a small Scottish club and it ending well?

I thought he was trying to dip Browns pockets

More likely Saturday's very public howler has clarified his thoughts on options in the short to medium term.

Don’t let him leave with any training gear just in case

mr brown is doing a spiffing job under difficult circumstances.

Not to be pedantic but they wouldn't through us out of the league structure for having a bad season.

Am I being wooshed? Surely everyone who was brought in after Mackay/Muzz and contributed to the cup win and our best run of finishes in the top flight in our history should be termed as a success? We've had some dumplings but a lot more good than bad...

Have been for a while. if we do go down it will be a long time before we see SPFL again

First, that depends on the ownership. If Brown sells to an ambitious investor it is much more likely. Secondly, I guarantee that we have a better shot at Europe than any club in the English 2nd division, which was the comparison.

A lot of teams seem to strengthening. Getting a bit worried now.

Is anybody else interested in these players? Hooper will have been clearly on a wage higher than what we've ever paid anyone, but what are people willing to pay him now? If you don't ask, you don't get...

No announcement of an impending announcement is an indicator of no announcement........isn't it?

Honestly think Kerr was given a new contract and the captaincy was to boost his value with the expectation to sell him either this window or next so wouldn’t expect Wright to walk if he’s sold

Lets hope not. Theres a deep rooted issue with this club that needs addressed, I'll be annoyed if its simply brushed off and ignored until it costs us.

Drat! Missed out on Andy Carroll.

my first ever away game was also at tannadice.we lost 1-0.

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